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[00:01.37] Paul: Hello, my name is Goron. I’m from Italy.

[00:04.12] Win: My name is Win. I’m from Vietnam.

[00:07.11] Michael: My name is Michael. I’m from Norway.

[00:09.36] Goron: So today, we’re going to discuss about mega cities. So do you have mega cities in your country?

[00:15.86] Win: Well, Vietnam is still a developing country, but we have several big city.

[00:20.62] The city I’m from, Ho Chi Minh City is – I think it’s the biggest city in Vietnam.

[00:25.86] And we have people flocking from the countryside to the city every year.

[00:31.36] And the population keeps growing but infrastructure is not capable of keeping up with the population, so we kind of have some problem right there.

[00:42.37] Michael: No. Norway does not have any mega city. But even so, we have problems with infrastructure.

[00:49.36] We have a huge car queuesbut they’re actually right now, they are doing everything they can to develop that infrastructure.

[00:58.86] And most of our capital, Oslo, is actually planned – well, it plans for the roads to all be sub-terrestrial.

[01:09.36] Goron: Okay. In Italy, the biggest city is Rome. It’s a really ancient city, as you know. And so for this reason, it was built for horses, for a really small amount of people, not five million as, I think, we have today.

[01:28.87] So the biggest problem in Rome is the traffic jam. Sometimes, it could be terrible, terrible.

[01:35.12] You can be stuck in the traffic for hours. And you just start to think, “Oh well, I want to get out of here.”

[01:46.86] Michael: Have you – do you have any kinds of rules or like there’s days, specific days where you cannot drive if your sign has this specific number or something like that?

[02:01.36] Goron: They tried to do that, but the drivers in Rome are really famous.

[02:05.11] They didn’t follow the rules. It’s really hard to have a car incident there. They’re driving like crazy.

[02:12.11] They are really stressed out about traffic jam and so they’re screaming. They’re horning? So it could be stressful.

[02:25.86] Win: Does the government try to renovate infrastructure of the city?

[02:30.11] Goron: The problem is like it’s really interesting because when they’re trying to dig into Rome, they find something, some monuments or something that’s from the Roman Empire.

[02:39.36] And they have to stop everything. So they cannot just destroy, you know, the columns or that they maybe, they find some new houses under the ground, then the…

[02:52.62] Michael: Or catacombs.

[02:53.61] Goron: Catacombs, yeah. So really, it’s – and so this one, it’s really difficult to dig into Rome and build new metros for example.

[03:02.87] Michael: So maybe for Italy, it would be better to create like a new capital, like political capital like in Brazil where they have Brasilia which was specifically built only for the politicians.

[03:14.12] Goron: It will be much better to move the capital of Milan actually. I think that, but it’s too much history in Rome to just say, “Oh well, let’s move it out somewhere else.”

[03:29.37] Win: I mean, I think…

[03:31.37] Michael: Would you say that urbanization is a problem in Rome that more and more people are coming to Rome from other places? And what would you think is the reason for that?

[03:39.86] Goron: Not really. It was a problem some decades ago, but not now. Not really. If you can avoid the big city, you do.

[03:51.61] But as we know, the biggest opportunities that you have for work, for everything are in the big cities. So this is the main reason.